And trackdays are more crowded. I don't care what mathematical formula the orgs are using to establish how many people are allowed on course at a time. 55 people is too many on Thunderbolt, I don't give a shit about what your "calculations" say. At some point, common sense and experience has to trump the "rider density per mile of track equation".
If your assessment is indeed correct, this is the stuff that needs to stop. At a trackday, there is no reason not to take the safe route and wait another corner or two to make a safe pass. If you are not in control of your machine and can check up to avoid a collision, you are riding over your head and have no business out there endangering your fellow riders.
My point exactly. It happens time and time again. I hate for the CRs to have to police rather than teach, but the offenders need to be tracked down and sent home. Before they kill someone.
So well said. I asked to be bumped down to B from I as it was my first time on the track. After trying to start from the back of I and having the leaders coming back around at A pace while I am trying to warm my tires and learn a new track. It was really bad. I didnt realize it would be such a PITA to get back my I status for voluntarily going down to learn a track (as other orgs dont have a problem with this) but I still think it was a wise decision on my part although I feel like I am been penalized for being safe and smart. Come to find out I was not the only one that did this and try to that day. I group was indeed out of control.
I am not sure I agree with your assessment. If you look at the first photo I posted the R1 still has dirt on the front tire and you can see dust in the air on the right side of the photo. He was in the grass and cut back into the track. That is for sure. You do not do inside passes when you are in the grass...
I find that statement a bit exaggerated. Im not saying it hasnt happened, but every event? Pretty sure I've done a few events and that is not true. You know the rules and the bump criteria and we don't just put everyone in A. Im not trying to excuse the actions of a few but don't condemn the majority for a few bad decisions. Yes we will need to address this, because none of us want to get hurt and none of us deserve to be part of a bad decision.
You may call it an exaggeration if you'd like. Maybe someone doesn't actually get taken out at every event, but it is most certainly happening with a lot more frequency that it did several years ago. I would say there is at least a near miss almost every event. No, all of them haven't resulted in contact, but there have been a lot of judgement errors that have resulted in near-collisions. Seems like amost every event i hear of someone in one of the groups pitting in at the last minute, cutting across the race line. I'm not condemning the majority. I'm saying there are some, maybe a minority, but they are having a huge negative influence on the sport.
I was on the #96. I ended up with just a concussion and four stitches to close a cut to my elbow, no broken bones. Not exactly sure what happened. I thought you checked up on the entrance to T3 because I came up on you really quickly and went around you on the outside. I don't think you saw me and we kind of met up at the apex of the left hander. I saw you coming out of the corner of my eye and slowed up and moved as far left as I could. I was on the curbing and as you went by I think my right bar was clipped which sent me from full left lean to getting flipped down on my right. It all happened in less than two seconds. I never rode off the track until I slid off the opposite side. I saw in my GoPro footage that someone went down behind us. I know I was upside down as I could see myself on camera holding onto the bar with my legs pointed straight up. I don't remember anything from the moment you went by until they were moving me from the ambulance to the helicopter. I don't even remember hitting the ground. Evidently I was sitting up and they got my leathers off without cutting them. It's all a blank to me. Glad everyone else was okay. My bike came out okay. It will need new plastics and a throttle housing but other than that it's all good.
. 
Very well said,I totaly agree with this and by the way what is the hurry to pass somebody and risk something doing it!?bullaboy;285025 wrote: Glad to see that everyone is okay and not hurt badly. I totally understand the "coming up to another rider and having an oh @!@!!** moment" it happens. And sometimes it happens really really quickly. I have done it, and ran off the track because of it. I have been t-boned because of this as well. What I have learned from these moments, especially at track days where skill levels are more varied, is to give riders 2-3 corners, i.e.., as you try to pass someone, give it a couple of corners. This gives you a chance to learn and understand that rider in front of you. He/she may be a slow in fast out rider, may be fast in, slow out rider, may be they are new to the track and the lines aren't 100% there. The thought in my mind is simply, where can I make this pass, not crash, and not freak out the other rider
Also, I would encourage us to post any videos, pictures, etc.. That will help others learn. That's how we all get better.
