Quantum_Ape
New Member
Hey BigKid, i think you might have where i'm going with this wrong.
No way would i ever really on a read out to tell me how far i have to go. These are the reasons i became interested in this.
1. Someone mentioned it couldn't be done and the geek in me piped up and said oh yeah?
2. Just like pictures, its more data to look at later and see how your progressing and how the bike is handling.
3. Its just fun playing with this stuff.
Now i am well aware of the different influences that progressively change. And if your looking for a valid reason to actually use a tool like this, the most appealing would be suspension tuning. With this device you can reliably read vibration, bound, rebound rates, dive in and unloading of suspension at various points. How much weight shifts between front and rear suspension and how smoothly upon hard breaking and acceleration. And the list goes on.
Let's see your average rider gauge the frequency and amplitude of vibrations through there bike at even a fraction of what would be possible with this.
Oh, and i'm working on temp gauges for the tires on my bike so i can see what there doing and when. I just figured we needed yet another thing to debate about.
Now that i have told my justifications of why this project would even be worth a look, of which i am very lazily playing with, let me clear some misconceptions up that i might have wrongly communicated.
I am not the type of person that will break down riding into a scientific formula and ride by the numbers. I will not set up anything to give more control of my bike to computer equipment than i have. I hate the idea of ABS and traction control on any bike or even a car if its performance orientated. I use my knees like everyone else in addition to so many other inputs to gauge how i am doing. I trust my body to tell me what i need to know and I'm proud of the fact i can sense when one of my four tires on my RSX-S is only 2 psi off.
Now look at all the people out there that are bent on putting cameras on every corner of there bike. How many people stare at there pictures over and over? So tell me, why would a device that can give you all this other input is so much different? it's yet another thing to check out and analyze. No one is depending on it to tell them when there going to lowside. Heck I'm not even interested in putting a read out on the bike because basically i won't be looking at it till I'm off the track.
As far as the biology of our body, I wasn't saying we can't feel these inputs (with experience of course), nor was i saying that when we can't gauge things on our own we should depend on readouts. I was simply making a statement that because all sensory inputs are relative to the conditions they are being felt in, the human body is a inaccurate tuning tool unless your one of the few really talented people.
Want to try something really fun? Go stand in a door jam. With your hands at your sides, put the back of your hands against the jams and push nice and hard for about a minute. Then totally relax your arms and step out. Where do they rest?
Anyway, relax guys, i don't intend on taking any of your fun away, and if you still don't like it, no one's forcing you to use it. Who's to say I'll even be making it available beyond the plans for how to make it. On the other hand you might see me fine tuning my suspension based on my laptop readouts :idea:
I just really don't want people to make me out to be the bad guy for playing with an idea.
No way would i ever really on a read out to tell me how far i have to go. These are the reasons i became interested in this.
1. Someone mentioned it couldn't be done and the geek in me piped up and said oh yeah?
2. Just like pictures, its more data to look at later and see how your progressing and how the bike is handling.
3. Its just fun playing with this stuff.
Now i am well aware of the different influences that progressively change. And if your looking for a valid reason to actually use a tool like this, the most appealing would be suspension tuning. With this device you can reliably read vibration, bound, rebound rates, dive in and unloading of suspension at various points. How much weight shifts between front and rear suspension and how smoothly upon hard breaking and acceleration. And the list goes on.
Let's see your average rider gauge the frequency and amplitude of vibrations through there bike at even a fraction of what would be possible with this.
Oh, and i'm working on temp gauges for the tires on my bike so i can see what there doing and when. I just figured we needed yet another thing to debate about.
Now that i have told my justifications of why this project would even be worth a look, of which i am very lazily playing with, let me clear some misconceptions up that i might have wrongly communicated.
I am not the type of person that will break down riding into a scientific formula and ride by the numbers. I will not set up anything to give more control of my bike to computer equipment than i have. I hate the idea of ABS and traction control on any bike or even a car if its performance orientated. I use my knees like everyone else in addition to so many other inputs to gauge how i am doing. I trust my body to tell me what i need to know and I'm proud of the fact i can sense when one of my four tires on my RSX-S is only 2 psi off.
Now look at all the people out there that are bent on putting cameras on every corner of there bike. How many people stare at there pictures over and over? So tell me, why would a device that can give you all this other input is so much different? it's yet another thing to check out and analyze. No one is depending on it to tell them when there going to lowside. Heck I'm not even interested in putting a read out on the bike because basically i won't be looking at it till I'm off the track.
As far as the biology of our body, I wasn't saying we can't feel these inputs (with experience of course), nor was i saying that when we can't gauge things on our own we should depend on readouts. I was simply making a statement that because all sensory inputs are relative to the conditions they are being felt in, the human body is a inaccurate tuning tool unless your one of the few really talented people.
Want to try something really fun? Go stand in a door jam. With your hands at your sides, put the back of your hands against the jams and push nice and hard for about a minute. Then totally relax your arms and step out. Where do they rest?
Anyway, relax guys, i don't intend on taking any of your fun away, and if you still don't like it, no one's forcing you to use it. Who's to say I'll even be making it available beyond the plans for how to make it. On the other hand you might see me fine tuning my suspension based on my laptop readouts :idea:
I just really don't want people to make me out to be the bad guy for playing with an idea.
