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Hey Judy-- shouldnt have to re-map for 100 octane. I'm running "low lead 100" aviation fuel in EVERYTHING except my truck. Mapping might get you a pony or two, but its not necessary. Its kinda like running 93 in a car thats set up to run regular 87. Couple reasons I use it: There's no ethanol, all my bikes are stock, and its cheaper than race fuel. I'm paying $4.50 / gal at the local small airport-- I'd say give it a shot- two tankfuls and you'll knowHondaGalToo;161773 wrote: Augh, too pricey, I'd have to remap, and that won't work in my lawnmowers!
Thanks for the info. Not sure if I have a local small airport around here, but good info, thanks.Bottlecap75;172665 wrote: Hey Judy-- shouldnt have to re-map for 100 octane. I'm running "low lead 100" aviation fuel in EVERYTHING except my truck. Mapping might get you a pony or two, but its not necessary. Its kinda like running 93 in a car thats set up to run regular 87. Couple reasons I use it: There's no ethanol, all my bikes are stock, and its cheaper than race fuel. I'm paying $4.50 / gal at the local small airport-- I'd say give it a shot- two tankfuls and you'll know
yeah and don't forget the DECREASE in mileage you get running this crap. along with all the damage it does to your motor and the entire fuel system in vehicles that aren't designed to run on it...:argh:Meat;167536 wrote: Nice how they mention lower emissions, but it is only lower emissions when you burn it. Much higher emissions to produce the ethanol, not to mention the increased price in food because everyone is growing corn for ethanol....which is further subsidized by the government.
The Startron is good stuff. Never had problems with the VFR's carbs.kawaholic;173121 wrote: yeah and don't forget the DECREASE in mileage you get running this crap. along with all the damage it does to your motor and the entire fuel system in vehicles that aren't designed to run on it...:argh:
i heard about this stuff on another forum. no affiliation, ymmv, blah, blah, blah...just passing along some info on a product that seems to be working for me.
http://mystarbrite.com/startron//content/view/100/136/lang,en/
over the past few years my mileage has dropped off significantly in my truck, 30-40 miles a tank full. i've run 4 or 5 tanks of "gas" with this stuff and i'm seeing my mileage come back. my last tank got me an extra 20 miles from what it has been, so i've cut that 40 mile loss in half. i was skeptical as i don't usually believe all the hype that goes into pushing all these different additives and snake oils but i've become a believer in this stuff. it's a little spendy at $1 an oz. but i think it's worth it to combat all the negative effects this crap they're ramming down our throats has on our wallets and our vehicles. along with all the wonderful things they say it does to neutralize all the harmful effects of the ethanol laced gas, it's a fuel stabilizer too. i'm going to start using it in every thing i own.
read up on it and give it a try. wally world carries it in the marine section. an 8oz. bottle is 8 bucks and it treats 128 gallons of gas.
Do people not understand that octane is a combustion INHIBITOR?dlockhart5x;161752 wrote:
Ethanol provides the following benefits:
• Ethanol is produced from corn grown in the US thus reducing overseas crude oil demand.
• Ethanol provides higher octane ratings with less carbon monoxide emissions.
this is not an advantage
• Has increased lubricity compared to gasoline.
Ethanol also has the following problems:
• Poor low temperature characteristics compared to gasoline, icing can occur.
• Very susceptible to degradation from water.
• Highly susceptible to bacteria degradation.
• Poor oxidation resistance resulting in reduced power.
• Conducts electricity and static discharge.
• Degrades many resins, plastics, rubber, adhesives and coatings
• Contributes to corrosion
• Slightly lower energy content than gasoline which reduces fuel economy.
• Ignites at a higher temperature than gasoline which can affect timing.
...due to it's higher octane rating
• Ethanol is more expensive to produce than gasoline.
• Combustion of E10+ produces aldehydes, a dangerous chemical that has been known to cause respiratory issues and cancer.
Higher octane isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can have too much, but it can help make more power depending on how the bike is tuned. If you tune it for the higher octane (within reason for your engine) it can help. But just putting it in your standard bike that is tuned for regular pump gas won't help.madriders86;173979 wrote: Do people not understand that octane is a combustion INHIBITOR?
Just don't agree with that. Now the cost vs power benefit may be argued but even a 4 stroke lawn mower will benefit from a higher than minimum octane when tasked. The combustion stability results in a smoother firing process causing the rotating assemblies to function collectively more efficiently. There is less destabilization resulting in a more optimized power potential.Mikey75702;173995 wrote: But just putting it in your standard bike that is tuned for regular pump gas won't help.
But if it is tuned to run on 87 octane and you put 89 in it, that changes where, and how fast the fuel burns in the cylinder. If it burns at the wrong degree it will loose power. Yes it is smoother, because the piston is already on its downward stroke when the fuel burns. The best power is made when you get full ignition quickly at 0 deg. tdc. So they set the timing to match fuel used. Best fuel used is determined by compression, cylinder design and a few other things. Some engines will resist detonation better then others so those use a lower octane fuel. If you were to up the octane rating, you would have to increase spark timing and you would still have a slower burn, resulting in less power.Gorecki;174005 wrote: Just don't agree with that. Now the cost vs power benefit may be argued but even a 4 stroke lawn mower will benefit from a higher than minimum octane when tasked. The combustion stability results in a smoother firing process causing the rotating assemblies to function collectively more efficiently. There is less destabilization resulting in a more optimized power potential.
I look at it like this, say you're in a boat going across a lake. On smooth water you can go 30 MPH (peak performance) while crossing wakes, waves you can only go 25 MPH. This induced resistance and destabilization causes a loss in peak potential. Higher octane helps assure this peak potential.
Just my take on it.
Well yes, agree 100%. All I was saying it that there is no benefit to higher octane in a motor that isn't tuned for it.Mikey75702;173995 wrote: Higher octane isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can have too much, but it can help make more power depending on how the bike is tuned. If you tune it for the higher octane (within reason for your engine) it can help. But just putting it in your standard bike that is tuned for regular pump gas won't help.