Do I really need all this stuff for my first time??????

kawijay

New to this
Hey, I see in the manual they are saying I will need a tent and motorcycle stands..... really? Its my first time. I understand the gas can, visible numbers, and CE-level 2. Do I really need to bring the whole farm just to do a day at the track?

Also, does my helmet has to be the latest SNELL approval or just SNELL approved?
 

mpusch

Micah
First day, wouldn't worry about a tent if you don't have one. Make friends with someone near you, and if it's hot or rainy typically they're happy to share space.

Stands are nice to have, but in my opinion aren't a first day necessity either.

I was without both of those things my first couple track days.

Don't know about the helmet.
 

JakeSizzle

New Member
Hell, you don't need stands if you aren't doing tire warmers ever! I have a friend running Q3's on an 09 ZX6R in expert class who doesn't even own tire warmers. Just take lap one carefully.

Some sort of sun cover is good to have. be it a canopy or just a nice hat or something. If it's sunny out, you will feel dehydrated and the next day will suck.

I thought helmets only need to be DOT rated? Can someone clarify?
 

wanderlust

New Member
Something to shade you from the sun is pretty important -- being in leathers on a hot bike during your session and then heading to the pits and getting baked without any shade sucks pretty bad...it's possible it'll make you feel sick by the end of the day. I'd definitely try and see if you can share space with someone -- and most everyone that I have met at a track day with any organization have been super nice and helpful. Start hydrating a few days before and make sure to bring lots of water and fluids. Don't worry about stands for your first time, they're really nice to have -- but not needed.

As far as your helmet goes -- get a good one. They're expensive, but at the end of the day you can't put a monetary figure on safety...now, I'm not saying a $1000 helmet will protect you better than a $250 helmet, but I am saying wearing a gmax helmet you picked up for $39 probably won't offer the same amount of protection that a good helmet will offer. Gear is expensive -- surgery, skin grafts, and hospital bills are even more costly. I don't know the specifics of N2's helmet requirements, but a good rule of thumb is to have a helmet not older than 5 years that has never been dropped or wrecked in -- snell certification is much more stringent than the DOT cert.


Motorcycle Standards Comparison - Snell and DOT

There are two organizations setting safety standards for motorcycle helmets in the United States, the Federal Government's Department of Transportation (DOT) and the Snell Memorial Foundation. DOT sets minimum standards that all helmets sold for motorcycling on public streets must meet. The standard is Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 218 (FMVSS 218) and is known commonly as the DOT helmet standard.

The Snell Memorial Foundation is a private not-for-profit organization that sets voluntary standards for motorcycle helmets, bicycle helmets and auto racing helmets, as well as other kinds of protective headgear. Snell Standards are the world's toughest. We demand quite a bit more protective capability in helmets than anybody else on the planet.

The table that follows compares the most significant parts of the Snell and DOT Standards, the impact testing. There are other tests in the standards but a helmet's impact performance determines what will happen when a motorcyclist goes headlong into the pavement.

Both Snell and DOT position the helmet on a test headform and then drop that helmeted headform through a two guided falls onto a fixed steel anvil. The test is repeated so that each helmet is impacted on at least four different sites on its surface against either a flat or hemispherical shaped anvil. Snell testing also impacts the helmet against a steel edge anvil that may simulate the edge of a sign stanchion or guardrail. The differences are in impact severity and impact criteria. How big an impact must the helmet withstand and how do the testers determine that the helmet actually withstood the impact.

The severity of an impact can be expressed in terms of how much mechanical energy is generated during the event. The amount of energy is dependent upon the speed or velocity of the head at the moment of impact and it's mass or weight. In helmet testing, the higher the fall or the heavier the headform, the more severe the impact. Since there is always some frictional loss in the test equipment, both Snell and DOT require that the headform velocity be measured just before the helmet impacts the test anvil. Snell measures impact severity in terms of energy, the mass of the headform times the square of the impact velocity divided by two. The table shows the impact energy in joules for anvil type and headform size for each standard. Snell requires that helmets withstand substantially larger impacts than DOT.

Impact criteria tell the testers how to interpret test results. Ancient wisdom has it that it's not the fall that does the damage, it's the sudden stop. Both Snell and DOT measure the suddenness of the stop with an accelerometer, a device used to measure acceleration or in this case deceleration, that is mounted inside the headform. When the helmet smacks into the anvil, the accelerometer measures the headform deceleration throughout the duration of the impact event. This acceleration pulse is generally plotted as G's versus milliseconds where one G is equal to the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of the earth. The testers analyze the acceleration pulse to determine whether the helmet passed or failed the test.

Snell and DOT use different methods to analyze these pulses. Snell limits the peak value to 300 G's. The DOT Standard requires that the peak acceleration not exceed 400 G's but they also put duration limits on the acceleration pulse. The period of time for which the pulse exceeds 200 G's must not be longer than 2 milliseconds. The period of time for which the pulse exceeds 150 G's must not be longer than 4 milliseconds. Snell, among others, questions the validity of these duration criteria. They were taken directly from a ANSI motorcycle helmet standard in 1972. The ANSI standard committee had developed the criteria for testing on an altogether different test device that was already being superseded at the time. After the DOT standard was drafted, the ANSI committee modified their duration criteria for compatibility with current impact test equipment.

DOT never accepted the modification. When the DOT draft was first prepared, DOT expected to make extensive changes in the criteria after its first eighteen months of operation. The 400 G peak and the duration criteria were to have been discarded in favor of the head injury criterion (HIC) as described in another DOT standard, FMVSS 208. However this never came to pass, instead a measure intended to serve only a year and a half has remained in place for over twenty-five years.

There are also administrative differences between Snell and DOT. Snell Certification means that Snell technicians in Snell labs tested samples of the helmet to Snell Standards before the helmet was certified. Furthermore, as a condition of certification, Snell regularly buys samples of all Snell certified products and brings them into our lab for follow-up testing.

DOT certification is done on the honor system. The helmet's manufacturer determines whether his helmets satisfy DOT and then claims the qualification for himself. There is not even a reporting requirement. The government does contract for some spot check testing at commercial and private labs but not very much. In recent years much of their effort has been spent against so-called beanie helmets that are obviously substandard and are worn only by helmet law protesters.

Around 1990 a few magazine articles appeared questioning whether Snell certified helmets met the DOT standard. Some went as far as claiming that it was impossible to meet both standards with the same helmet but others were more cautious and said only that meeting both was very difficult.

In fact, Snell certified helmets do meet DOT. If you want to be sure that your helmet meets the DOT standard, get a Snell certified helmet. Manufacturers apply for and earn Snell certification because they care about quality. These are the very manufacturers for whom the honor system works. A Snell sticker is your best assurance that the helmet meets both Snell and DOT. Without our sticker, it's purely a gamble that the helmet meets any standard at all.
 

D-Zum

My 13 year old is faster than your President
You want shade...EZ-UP's are relatively inexpensive. If you cannot afford one by Summit in May, I'll have an extra in my camper you can use.

I've been known to toss my back protector in my camper's freezer between sessions...it's not cold the whole time out, but it helps a bit.

Bring, for a day, at least a gallon of water. Pedialite is also good to add to your hydration regimen during the day to replace lost electrolytes, potassium, etc lost to sweating. At the very least that will
help prevent cramping.

A track day is pretty physical, so being over prepared is better than regretting you didn't bring enough of something. Leftovers can be stocked for the next day.
 

D-Zum

My 13 year old is faster than your President
OH..and a Chair! You'll want to get off your feet and legs between sessions, too. If you don't happen to remember a folding chair, I probably have one of those extra sitting around in my camper you can use too.

Exhaustion and dehydration lead to sluggish reflexes and bad decisions. Been there....so everything you can do to maintain your physical and mental
awareness makes a difference.

A session is 20 minutes. Sounds like a short session, but out there, it can feel like forever til you see that white flag.
 

kawijay

New to this
Well according to the info here...I have to buy a new helmet lol, just bought one from Revzilla but it was SNELL 2010. On sell for $100. Just bought a 10 X 10 tent on Amazon. Gonna try and hold off on stands. I will be running stock tires anyway. I will def bring a cooler with ice, water, Gatorade etc. thanks guys.


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JakeSizzle

New Member
^ sage advice right here! I remember some Shenny sessions with TPM with low attendance where they ran only 2 groups all day. They ended up being like 30 minutes a piece! You were physically WRECKED by the end of the afternoon.
 

kawijay

New to this
^ sage advice right here! I remember some Shenny sessions with TPM with low attendance where they ran only 2 groups all day. They ended up being like 30 minutes a piece! You were physically WRECKED by the end of the afternoon.


Woah!


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HondaGalToo

Control Rider
Most has been covered...but I'll chime in anyway.

No, you don't need stands unless you're running tire warmers, which is totally unnecessary for your first day. Hell, I'd argue you really don't need warmers until you get to Intermediate group, or even Advanced. Just remember to lower the pressures (30 psi is a good starting point) and take it easy the first couple of laps to get heat into them. And make sure they have sufficient tread.

Helmet: the manual says DOT, SNELL, or EU equivalent. It does not need to be the current SNELL certification. We don't check date of manufacture at tech. I replace mine every 5 years just because. Probably fine for another couple of years. If your helmet is approaching the 10 year mark, I'd definitely replace it.

If you post up when someone starts a "roll call" for the event, explain it's your first day, and ask if you can pit with someone so that you have shade and a chair (unless you decide to get these things prior). Everyone is really friendly and willing to help. Bring a lot of water. And also an electrolyte replacement such as Gatoraide. Darrin mentioned pedialyte, that works. I like the electrolyte tablets such as Nuun sold by REI or Fizz by Hammer nutrition, that I add to every other bottle of water I drink. If you aren't peeing after every session, drink more!

Bring a hat and sunscreen!

Some tracks have a cafeteria, but I always bring my lunch and snacks.
 

CBRtist

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you got your questions answered. Maybe I will bump into you at Summit. That is on my to-do list this year.:like:
 

kawijay

New to this
He might not be fast out on the track, but he's fast to get threads off track...

ba dum tissssss!

Yes, folks. Yes, it's been a long time since I've ridden a motorcycle and the smack talk is happening. LOL! I blame PMS (Parked Motorcycle Syndrome)

ROFLMAO!!!!
 
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