Racing brake pads

dc aka lowside

New Member
I currently have and have been running the EBC HH brake pads. On paper these seem to have the same qualities as the more expensve Vesrah's, highest friction rating possible, sintered metal..I like these pads and they have served me well, at my pace I am not outbraking them but I am just curious if the more expensive and pure race pads would be worth the investment? I have been researching Versrah and Ferodo but they are quite expensive, has anyone rode on these and the EBCs? Give me your comparisons...Right now I am thinking that this topic is like tires, you can run tires like the 003RS up until like A group and be just fine but the 003 slicks or DOTs work that much better but at a mid-pack I pace you probably won't notice the difference...
 

dc aka lowside

New Member
noobinacan;106225 wrote: I was running EBC this season..but going to Vesrah SRJL's pretty soon...
Why are you switching? I don't want to switch for no reason. If someone asks me I want to be able to say the exact reason and not because this is what the pros are using, I'd rather say the reason of how they are benefiting me. I'm just being curious, if you don't mind explaining your reasoning....
 

D-Zum

$10 Eggs are worth the death of the Woke MindVirus
I was a LONG TIME EBC HH user...like a decade. EBC HH pads and their rotors on my 2001 GSXR1000.

Talked to Derek Leslie about pads and decided to switch to the Vesrah RJL's for last season. Not as much $$$ as the SRJLs, but an upgrade none the less based on my conversation with THE MAN.

And after a season on them I can honestly say...OH HELL YEAH!

WAY better initial bite than the EBCs.

In July at Summit in Intermediate Group I was following BIG Tom Kaley around in the afternoon during a session. (July 6th now that I think of it).
He got buy about 4 guys on the front straight...and I didn't want to let the big guy get away on me..so I followed...and forgot a minor detail like...TURN ONE IS COMING UP FAST!!!

All of a sudden T1 comes back into my focus...and Tom's between me and the turn....OH SHIT..am I going to take out our friendly Ogre??? DEAR GOD NO!!!!! My GSXR1000's showing 170mph and this ain't gonna be pretty...I go for the binders trying to avoid PANIC...the bike starts moving around on me..means the rear end is either really lightened or off the ground. Kaley turns out of my path....I get by all 4 riders..and actually make the turn!!!

Could I have made that same hard stop with the EBC's....my feeling is..NOT a chance.

Bottom line..even the RJLs have given me more confidence on the brakes and allowed me to carry my brake markers in even futher to the turn-in point than EBCs would ever allow me to do comfortably.
 

NickMcCoy

Member
dc aka lowside;106226 wrote: Why are you switching? I don't want to switch for no reason. If someone asks me I want to be able to say the exact reason and not because this is what the pros are using, I'd rather say the reason of how they are benefiting me. I'm just being curious, if you don't mind explaining your reasoning....
My suggestion is, try different kinds until you find what you like, they're not as expensive as tires and last alot longer so it's worth it to feel the differences. I went from EBC HHs to SBS Dual Carbons and love them, I think it was $90 for the fronts but you might be able to find them a bit cheaper.
 

dc aka lowside

New Member
ok so it seems that you guys agree that EBC's are good for their price but I can get a lot more confidence in moving my brake markers back with higher end, more race focused pads, correct?
 

Perlzuki

New Member
Lowside, I ran EBC's for years. Very good pads! After I was running fast A pace, I tried some Vesrah RJS's with a noticeable differance. Initial bite is awesome. Depending on your skill level, I really don't think that your braking marker will be moved forward, but do know that if you get in too hot, the Vesrahs will allow you to slow her down. You will have to watch out for lifting the front wheel off the ground as it hits real hard.

Mark
SE CR #249
06 GSXR 1000
07 BMW K1200 GT
 

fossilfuel

New Member
What is the difference in materials and compounds used for EBC vs Vesrah vs stock vs Ferodo? What studies have been done to show that one has a better friction coefficient than the other? Does one manufacturer have better quality control than the other? Would you rather buy a product made by Americans, Mexicans, or Chinese? What is wrong with stock pads? How often are you going through pads?
My feeling is that most of it is in your head. It has more to do with how you apply the brakes than what kind of brake pad. If you are putting down 1:33 lap times at Road Atlanta using Vesrah and 1:35 lap times using EBC then sure there may be something to it.
I have gotten advice from Derek Leslie on several occasions and I am a better rider for it. If he says use Vesrah, Then use them. It will not be a bad decision. Will it make a differance in your performance, maybe or maybe not. If you really want to brake and I mean scary brake.....one word....BREMBO
 

upnadam

New Member
Vesrah gets my vote as well. I ran EBC's for a short time and switched to RJL's, no looking back. Better initial bite and more feel. Ran out of pad at VIR South this year and all Derek had in the trailer were SRJL's. I'm sold on them now. There is a reason they cost more, they are better. Tons of confidence with all the Vesrah pads and always consistent performance from them have been my experience. I would say at the very least give them a try.
 

JRA

New Member
Brake pads aren't like oil, there are real differences that even inexperienced riders can feel.

The Vesrah pads are worth the money in my opinion. I've tried a lot of different pads in the past including the EBC, PF, and CL. I'm sticking with the SRJL's over everything else I've tried; including the RJL's. Nothing else I've used can even come close to them. That's not to say that everyone will absolutely love them. Since braking is about feel not everyone will like the immense power that these pads offer. They have serious bite when you initially pull the lever. You can easily lift the rear wheel off the ground with one finger, but I love that.

The SRJL's last a long time too. I'm going through about two sets a year riding close to forty events so that's pretty good wear I would say. As a comparison I probably spend more on gas in one session of riding than I do on brake pads for a whole day of riding. I guess what I'm saying is that pads are a really cheap performance upgrade when you consider what they cost you per day to run. The only downside to the SRJL's are they are really dusty, and in the wet they lose that initial bite. They still work well but when the rotors are wet they lose that first big hit of stopping power.

I knew what I was looking for in brake pads after using HRC pads on a RC51 I had several years ago. When I got rid of that bike and bought a Suzuki I immediately started looking for a pad that would give me that same kind of feel. I'd try something for a weekend or two and then move on to something else. It didn't take too long until I tried the Vesrah SRJL's and from the first lap I knew I had found what I was looking for.

Brake pads are kind of like suspension in that you only know the best you have ridden. Since even expensive pads like the Vesrah's aren't really all that expensive relative to what it costs to do track days, I think everybody who is serious about riding and/or racing should try the SRJL's. I think that most people will really love them, but even if you don't you will come away knowing what serious braking power feels like and that should help you better understand what you are really looking for in brake feel.
 

trickyricky

New Member
Be careful when you change pads, those kind of pads that offer monster initial bite will make a hat out of your bike if you are not applying braking force progressively. I have used Carbonne Lorraine and Ferodo because of their heat dissipation, they stay constant from lap one to last lap. Many other companies offer this, I just found something that suits my riding/braking style. I stay on the brakes longer than most but do not apply as much pressure because Having a radial pump and ss lines, I can already dial all the initial bite I can handle. That's why I don't use Vesrah, but truth be told, I haven't because of people chating it's initial bite prowess turned me away from them without actually trying them, so all of this might be of no consequence to anyone here :eek::dunno::D

Just be aware that there are different style pads for different style of riding and braking
 

Smithereens

Control Rider
N2
I switched from EBC doubleH to Vesrah RJL pads at mid season last year. I was comfortable with the EBC pads but the difference was definitely noticeable. The initial bite is better and my feeling is that the overall stopping power is also better. I gotta thank Chris Moon for suggesting the change.

I had to chuckle reading about Darrin almost a-packing Tom......really not a good idea:) Those RJL pads paid for themselves right there!!!
 

D-Zum

$10 Eggs are worth the death of the Woke MindVirus
The RJL's have definitely changed my brake expectations..about 3 weeks ago I took advantage of a sale and purchased an 09 R6. Call it my 40th Bday present in the garage a few months early. I just loved my test ride at Summit Point last Summer..and the idea's been lingering in the back of my mind since...saw 09's on sale and decided to pull the trigger.

Anyway, I rode it home..and that was one scary 13.5 miles. Those stock pads suck! I felt like I was riding on glazed over brakes. Those Sumitomo's are given to a coworker with a 2008 so someone can make some use out of them.

Derek Leslie got a call immediately and the RJLs are installed already. Even though this will be my "street bike" I gotta have the Vesrahs.
 

Smithereens

Control Rider
N2
The stock pads on the 08 R6 are truly pathetic! Couldn't change them fast enough. Hope that coworker you gave them to isn't a close friend.
 

rugbymook

Control Rider
Race Director
Take the time to clean the rotors very well when you switch brands of brake pads. I use brake clean on a scotch brite heavy duty pad. Sometimes fine sandpaper too.

I've had issues with EBC pads glazing and warping. Never had issues with the Vesrah RJL's. I have yet to jump to the SRJL's sine i have no problem lifting the rear off the ground with the RJL's! LOL!

I used Carbon Lorraine pads on the SV race bike and liked them.........but not enough difference to abandon my support of Vesrah!
 

Cyclepath

Member
Something that has ot been mentioned is the difference between a carbon pad and a sintered pad. I used to run Vesrah's but when i was tried a set of carbon pads i was instantly converted. Sintered pads are a good all around pad because they dont require much heat to bite and they come in linear. The Carbon pads need a little heat, but the bite is uncomparable. I prefer the SBS or Ferodo carbon pads personally.
 

shaugdog

New Member
I'm a fan of the performance friction pads myself. They don't have a HUGE initial bite, which probably turns some people off, but they do grab well, and are the most smooth linear pads I have ever used. I like have more than a 1/2 inch of lever action to play with, so PF is good for me.
 
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