How do you prove ownership besides the receipt that you could get from the seller? What about the serial numbers from the frame and engine?toptaz1000rr;36693 wrote: im possible in most states.. you need to established and PROOVE ownership and run the risk of a stolen item to boot
yes but as you said it came with STATE or INSURANCE PAPERWORK that recognized by the state and police..stephenjpauls;36748 wrote: My Track bike was "Bill of Sale" however it came with a of the "Certificate of Destruction" issued to the previous owner. This is a good reason to have a bike without a title (As it can't be titled), but the main thing to beware of is that the bike is not stolen, and proof that it is not stolen. As I'm paranoid I keep a photo copy bill of sale, and the certificate of destruction on me whenever I have the bike, just in case I'm pulled over with the bike on the trailer.
no a title is something you can LEGIT regsiter a vehicle with and get PLATES and INSURANCESimplyRed;36754 wrote: A certificate of destruction is a type of title.
I've heard this too, but i've never actually seen it happen, or talked to anyone who has.toptaz1000rr;36695 wrote:
alot of police are coming to tracks now as well and doing random vin searches on track bikes
I think the main thing for me is it's crappy to let thieves profit and get away with stealing by not simply requiring seller's to have legal/legitimate paperwork. Easy to show if they obtained the bike legally, along with a VIN check. Bike's get stolen everyday - many get sold with no titles. Why screw a fellow rider like that?rk97;36761 wrote: All the concerns mentioned are legitimate, but i just feel like there's a 5% chace or less that there will actually be a problem.
i have seen it done with cars trailered to the race track ...rk97;36761 wrote: I've heard this too, but i've never actually seen it happen, or talked to anyone who has.
And how can the police - unsolicited - come onto private property (your home, the race track, etc.) without a warrant and 'randomly' search your VIN?
What's their probable cause?
Now if you're hauling ass, doing 85 down the highway, and they pull you over, then I wouldn't be surprised if they run the VIN of the bike on the trailer. Or, if you're trying to take a trip to Calabogie, I'm pretty sure the boarder patrol is going to run the VIN, but otherwise, why would anyone ever look?
All the concerns mentioned are legitimate, but i just feel like there's a 5% chace or less that there will actually be a problem.
agree :rtfm:SimplyRed;36766 wrote: I think the main thing for me is it's crappy to let thieves profit and get away with stealing by not simply requiring seller's to have legal/legitimate paperwork. Easy to show if they obtained the bike legally, along with a VIN check. Bike's get stolen everyday - many get sold with no titles. Why screw a fellow rider like that?
well you hit the nail on the head it IS a FEDERAL FELONY to remove a FEDERAL VIN TAG (which is what a VIN stamp is considered)Revvin' Evan;37269 wrote: I had always wondered about the whole stolen track bike thing. Good info guys. Now what about the bikes that have the VINs scratched off? I ask because, somebody could read this, be like "oh shiz, Ima just scratch the VIN off and they can't touch me even if they do show up at the track" but im assuming its illegal to remove a VIN from a vehicle?????? Even if it is illegal to do so.....how can anyone prove the bike is stolen if it has no VINs left on it?
*sigh* I'm so glad I have theft coverage on my bike
rk97;37273 wrote: No vin means no one can prove ownership and the bike can't be resold. I would imagine the police impound the bike and then destroy
it.
So from what you said, someone could steal my bike, buy a frame from honda, swap parts and the bike would then be theirs? That can't be right.:notsure:toptaz1000rr;37272 wrote: well you hit the nail on the head it IS a FEDERAL FELONY to remove a FEDERAL VIN TAG (which is what a VIN stamp is considered)
AS WELL
on teh STATE level it is ALSO a STATE FELONY to remove a VIN tag or stamp
now if you get checked and they can not find a vin .. or see it is scratched away .. they CAN impound the bike til you can PROOVE ownership .. and they do have ways to bring up a VIN using acid and a few other means...
if you happen to get a frame LEGIT from a dealer with NO vin #... it will still have 2 things..
1-at someplace on the bike a non removable 6-8 digit code or 'vin' will be assigned to the frame...
and /or
2- you will have LEGIT paperwork from say 'honda' for example taht will show that 'code' is legit and belongs to you ..
bottom line.. be legit ... only can hurt you in the end by not being so