bodell
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Recap with my own comments omitted...
I think JRA put it best and I put it worst, but the message is the same. So instead of arguing more, I will leave you with this informative video on dealing with a bully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEmu4QTlIyo
I have read this entire thread, and I dont see anyone supporting the idea of self evaluation for run group membership.Readfast;224082 wrote:
I do agree that STT needs to re-evaluate its policy for riders self established grouping. I ride in "I" and I will say that even in the "I" there were people that probably should have been in "N". I have never had to pass so many other riders per session. I even passed more than a few people twice in one session. Saying that, I know that I'm not an "A" rider. I'm also not the fastest "I" rider, there are guys out there that make me look and feel slow! I will say, that I have ridden with STT before and it was not like this! For some reason this weekend was different? I enjoy riding with both groups and will continue to ride with both!
Smithereens;223850 wrote: Crashes do happen.......even with highly skilled riders......but they happen more often when riders ride above their skill level or treat a track day as a race when everyone else is in track day mode.noobinacan;224021 wrote: I sincerely hope and wish that you will consider changing the one rule;
-No first time sign-up into A
-To evaluate riders for bump into 'A' group. Also, to clean up the current A group. As a pilot program in south east ?
like said before, self evaluation and Ego will always make people call themselves 'A' vs earning 'A'.
you'll see that people who are running the pace, will have no problem with that rule change.
anyone who cries and whines goes on top of the list for evaluation. haha
just my 2 cents
noobinacan;223861 wrote: letting people self evaluate themselves doesn't work. in any aspect or field.JRA;223918 wrote: STT has had their policy since the beginning as have we. It's my belief that our policy leads to a lot more consistency in the pace of each group, as well as gets people to really focus on improving their riding if they want to move up within NESBA because our CR's make the decision and not the rider. I think the evidence that this is a successful policy is borne out by the quality of our riders in each group. People who are riding with us for the first time routinely tell me they are surprised at how fast NESBA is. I say this not as a slam at others, but just to make the point that I think our system has a lot more merit than some give us credit for.
Did we self evaluate ourselves in School ? Do we self eval at our jobs ? list goes on.
So why let people self evaluate in a sport that's dangerous as this?
Ego will always get in the way and lead to most people to put the 'A' sticker on their bike.
We've all seen riders who are really fast but don't "play well with others". They tend to feel that they're "entitled" to be bumped based on self evaluation. I know from experience that the Nesba A riders got there by demonstrating that they're both fast and can be trusted to play by the rules for everyone's safety. I ride with other organizations regularly and I've seen what happens when riders are allowed to just pick the group they want to ride in without proving they have the skills and required respect for the rules and other riders.
I think JRA put it best and I put it worst, but the message is the same. So instead of arguing more, I will leave you with this informative video on dealing with a bully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEmu4QTlIyo