Not good weekend

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Lean.In.

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borgNSR;185068 wrote: If you are on your personal limit, and get sweetly carved up the inside (and you still have track to ride on), and you are NOT laughing your head off in your helmet, you are the problem. Pack it up and go home, because you don't have what it takes to enjoy yourself in this sport. If you get done up dirty in T1, or T2 or T(n), where you never expected it, they either suck, saved you from a wreck between the pair of you, or they didn't think it was safe to stay behind any longer and get asspacked themselves. If they suck, pass them back. If they don't suck, put your bruised sense of entitlement away and learn. Otherwise, quit now, it doesn't get any better. The passes get closer and the humiliation more amazing and profound, until the pride is gone, or you've quit with what little is left.

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Who the hell are you? I didnt say anything about a damn bruised ego or anything dude. It didnt even happen to me.

And this: "If you get done up dirty in T1, or T2 or T(n), where you never expected it, they either suck, saved you from a wreck between the pair of you"

huh???? How is getting "done up dirty" a good way to save us from a wreck?? You're a moron.
 
HondaGalToo

HondaGalToo

Control Rider
arhale09;185010 wrote: I dunno man, if I see a yellow flag waving at VIR turn 7 or Barber T-4, I'm gonna be closer to 80% than 90%. There could be a cone on the track, oil, anything. Does it mean I've chopped the gas? Of course not. But if I can't see the hazard but the CW's are telling me there is one, I'm gonna back it down a hair. I was under the impression that was the point of yellow flags...
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Agreed. I am on alert and slow just a bit. Glad I did last year on a blind turn at BeaveRun because as I crested the hill (the yellow had just been thrown) there was a non-moving downed rider right in the line. I stood on the brakes, then swerved, and missed him. The red came out shortly after. As was stated before, sometimes a yellow is out just before the red, as Control has to authorize the red so it comes out at all stations simultaneously.

I was always taught that a standing yellow meant there was something requiring your attention that was off-line. A waving yellow meant there was something requiring your attention on the race line that would likely require you to change your line. Both at NESBA mean no passing. Not sure if NESBA uses a waving yellow, I don't recall seeing one in recent memory, but I think they do.
 
Matt H

Matt H

New Member
Kegger;185071 wrote:
Maybe someone who has the definitive explanation of a yellow flag can elaborate.
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From NESBA's Rider's Manual, page 15:

Yellow Flag: Displayed at the problem corner and the one before.
Be extra cautious! Something has happened up ahead.
Back off a little, but don’t stop! Be prepared to change
your line. You do not need to put a hand up on the
yellow flag. No passing is allowed.


From WERA's Rulebook, Chapter 4:

YELLOW FLAG: A) When held stationary-indicates a potentially dangerous situation near the track or a slower moving motorcycle. B) When waved vigorously-indicates a hazard or obstacle on the track, avoidance maneuvers may be necessary. Exercise extreme caution, slow your speed until past the situation.
 
Kegger

Kegger

New Member
So, both reference slowing down.

At that point, it becomes the riders judgement on how much to slow down?

Once that is added to the equation (rider judgement) the response to a yellow becomes unpredictable as every rider has different judgement.

Tough situation for everybody.
 
Mikey75702

Mikey75702

Member
borgNSR;185068 wrote: If you are on your personal limit, and get sweetly carved up the inside (and you still have track to ride on), and you are NOT laughing your head off in your helmet, you are the problem. Pack it up and go home, because you don't have what it takes to enjoy yourself in this sport. If you get done up dirty in T1, or T2 or T(n), where you never expected it, they either suck, saved you from a wreck between the pair of you, or they didn't think it was safe to stay behind any longer and get asspacked themselves. If they suck, pass them back. If they don't suck, put your bruised sense of entitlement away and learn. Otherwise, quit now, it doesn't get any better. The passes get closer and the humiliation more amazing and profound, until the pride is gone, or you've quit with what little is left.

To the OP, it sucks that the rider behind you didn't have the talent to save you from your situation. Getting asspacked is an awful, out-of-control feeling. Realizing you've contributed to it sucks worse. Heal up fast.
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Dude, you sure have one crazy attitude.... personally I think your reasoning is way off base. What happens if the person being done dirty is new and just doesnt have the skill set to handle it yet?? I have seen people pass on the inside in the b group and and ran those people off the track... I have seen the passer run off track after doing an illegal pass. Were those just suck it up and keep it moving moments?? HELL no, it was dangerous for the person that it was done to... there are rules for a reason. I'm sure just about everyone has made a mistake and broke them at one point, HELL i know I have... but I try to find the person I just "did dirty" and apologize.. then I try to learn from my mistake.. it seems at least one person here feels the rules don't apply to them.
 
noobinacan

noobinacan

Member
borgNSR;185068 wrote: If you are on your personal limit, and get sweetly carved up the inside (and you still have track to ride on), and you are NOT laughing your head off in your helmet, you are the problem. Pack it up and go home, because you don't have what it takes to enjoy yourself in this sport. If you get done up dirty in T1, or T2 or T(n), where you never expected it, they either suck, saved you from a wreck between the pair of you, or they didn't think it was safe to stay behind any longer and get asspacked themselves. If they suck, pass them back. If they don't suck, put your bruised sense of entitlement away and learn. Otherwise, quit now, it doesn't get any better. The passes get closer and the humiliation more amazing and profound, until the pride is gone, or you've quit with what little is left.

To the OP, it sucks that the rider behind you didn't have the talent to save you from your situation. Getting asspacked is an awful, out-of-control feeling. Realizing you've contributed to it sucks worse. Heal up fast.
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you're on the wrong board!
go here and then you can sweetly carve up people on the inside...

The Dungeon @ WERA
 
bike428

bike428

New Member
29duc;184732 wrote: Let me first start off by saying Nesba is a good organization and I am thankful for them. I know we all take risk when we get out on the track and I except that but I think my wreck at Road A could have been avoided. Way too many people on track this weekend isnt there a cutt off number not much fun when you hardly can put in a few good laps. I believe flag guy on turn 3 should have waved red flag. First Intermediate session after lunch second lap bike in the middle of turn 3 yellow flag? I see bike put hand up getting closer to bike to go around and some knuckle head hits me. Red flag should have been shown at turn 1 dude that hit me what the F were you thinking man you just cost me the rest of the day riding, about $1,500 bucks and my foot is killin me. I know it was an accident but for any new riders on the track please be aware of your surroundings always be looking ahead. Again this is the risk we take when we get out there just needed to get this off my chest. In the end bike banged up foot banged up but I do thank God because it could have been a lot worse.
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I wish I had seen this 9 pages earlier but oh well. First I am sorry to hear about the incident but am glad you are ok. I always say if you are alive and coherent enough to be pissed off by an incident on the track it's a good day. I don't think I have ever met you but I do think I talked to the guy you referred to as a knuckle head. He is a grown man and certainly does not need me to speak for him. That said I do know he feels terrible about what transpired and had every intention of coming down to your pit once you cooled off to talk about it. It was easy to tell he had a genuine concern for you, your bike, and the other person that crashed. Just like you he was simply trying to avoid the incident. There is no question there were some knuckleheads at the track this weekend with a blatant disregard for the rules, their own safety, and the safety of others (some have had the cojones to confess their sins on this forum) but I assure you this gentleman was NOT one of them. Venting done.....and some good thoughts/suggestions on this thread by a number of people. Now fix your @#$% and come back to the track and have fun! :)
 
Caveman

Caveman

New Member
I was the 2nd bike coming out of turn 1 behind the demo rider that wrecked. Come on, you could see the Demo riders merging (yes slowly) but you had plenty of time to eas-off enough to be safe to both the riders merging and the riders coming up behind you.

As far as the wreck the demo rider had, it came out of nowhere, all of a sudden he was down. I was on top of the guy when he went down but had time to run off without Panicking, slamming on my brakes causing another rider to run into me. FYI: There are a couple acres of grass to your left for runoff and then to merge back on to the track safely further down which is what I did. NOT A BIG DEAL. Yes it was incontinent but I didn’t hear you ask about how your fellow rider was doing after taking a hard nose dive on the pavement. The only thing I hear is that it disrupted your track time (classy guy).

Yes it was crowded, which was addressed later that afternoon when the Demo riders were being limited on the track to 3-4 at a time. And what more can you ask for from NESBA and Yamaha, they paint these guys with yellow shirts and their being escorted by guys in Green shirts. On top of that and to assist with anyone who's color blind, they have big ass letters on them that say "DEMO RIDER". What more do you want, flashing lights. Yes they were off pace, big deal you could spot them a mile down the track.

Way too much complaining for what I thought was an amazing weekend. Yes there were problems, and yes they were addressed by NESBA to create a safe ride.

THANKS FOR AN AMAZING WEEKEND NESBA.
 
meganogin

meganogin

New Member
I find it a little confusing how different people can come up through the NESBA system and have completely different experiences. I started in B like everyone else, moved to I and then to A without a single bad experience ( except of my own doing). I have made great friends and had a chance to share the track with some AMAZING talents. Thank you to NESBA, I sincerly hope this weekend does not discourage anyone from coming back next time.
 
ericn

ericn

New Member
Saturday and Sunday were the 2 best trackdays I ever had with any organization. I learned a lot with navigating traffic on Saturday (a pit-in to let some traffic get ahead cost me 45 seconds of track time, no big deal) and Sunday was a blast.
Thank you NESBA!
 
worldrider929

worldrider929

New Member
borgNSR;185068 wrote: If you are on your personal limit, and get sweetly carved up the inside (and you still have track to ride on), and you are NOT laughing your head off in your helmet . . . If you get done up dirty in T1, or T2 or T(n), where you never expected it . . . put your bruised sense of entitlement away and learn . . . it doesn't get any better. The passes get closer and the humiliation more amazing and profound, until the pride is gone, or you've quit with what little is left.
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Against my better judgement I am going to have to say that I kinda see what borgNSR was saying.

I don't think he was singling anyone out when he said go home, quit, etc.

I think that he was making the general lighthearted statement that getting passed by CRs and passing other fellow riders (safely and within the guidelines of your group) is part of the appeal to riding on the track. (How many of us have been amazed, in levels B and I, by those orange shirted hellions and all that they are able to do . . . while looking back and instructing us with owl like flexibility)

Like borgNSR said, if you are not grinning in your helmet when you are passing or being passed then something is wrong. Perhaps another way to put it would be, if you aren't laughing and mentally shaking your head in acknowlegement of the shear beauty when a CR passes you or anyone in a turn then maybe you are taking your track riding too seriously; and maybe you should loosen up for your own safety.

In most cases, I don't think that a CR would pass you in a turn unless he/she believes that you can handle it.

I fondly remember being passed safely by control riders in turns a couple of times in the past - I laughed to myself at the time and I was having a blast . . . that was just before they bumped me. (read between the lines)

I never even saw that bump coming . . . we were just having fun out there on the track.:dunno:

Remember to have a good time out there. There are an abundance of rules and stuffed shirts back at the office. :rolleyes:

(This is not a direct criticism of any of the valid and clearly heartfelt complaints about the incident that spurred this thread. . . just another spin on the comments about the CRs passing in turns.)
 
stkr

stkr

New Member
To the OP: Hope you heal up, and get your bike fixed so you can come back out and enjoy some more track time. :cool:


I've read through ALL 9 pages of this. Quite the range of opinions and emotions. Note - any errors in judgement on the track have far greater consequences than almost anywhere else. It's the nature of what we're doing...it's dangerous.

For those that made the choice to violate the rules of their group - I hope you get caught, SOON!

I have, in the last 6 years, only had to make an illegal pass ONCE, and it was due to my own error in the judgement of my closing speed and I didn't have the skill/confidence at the time to brake hard enough to NOT pass on the inside. Once through the turn, I looked back to make sure they were still upright, and then gave the obligatory "I'm Sorry!" wave. I learned from that mistake.

About the :a: - Group being a Fraternal Club: WOW! That sort of strikes a nerve - BAD!!! I spent the last five years busting my ass trying to get better, and learn what it takes. For a while I blamed my bike, but once I realized IT WAS ME, then the bike just needed a bit of tweaking, and I needed a LOT of fixing. I was always hanging around with the CR's and my friends. I was probably a pest to some, because I was a sponge for whatever advice they could give me. As I moved up into the :i: group, friendships grew considerably with the CR's.

When I was trying to get my bump to the A Group, these friendships were getting tested. I was so frustrated that there were times I wondered who I had pissed off, or who's ass do I need to kiss, in order to make this happen. These were "my friends", why couldn't they cut me a little slack since I'm on an older/underpowered bike? The were many days that I was left saying...WTF? I was starting to get a bit pissed.

Then, I finally stopped working so hard at it, because I thought I would never get it, and just rode to the best of my ability. Later than afternoon, I was passed by a CR, and he pulled me off the track.......and bumped me to the A-Group when I didn't even know I was being evaluated. (Thanks again Ron!)

Friendship WILL NOT get you to the A-Group. Those "friends" will in fact make you completely EARN that bump, and then will completely welcome you to the A-Group because they know without any doubt that you're ready.
 
Mikey75702

Mikey75702

Member
stkr;185118 wrote: To the OP: Hope you heal up, and get your bike fixed so you can come back out and enjoy some more track time. :cool:


I've read through ALL 9 pages of this. Quite the range of opinions and emotions. Note - any errors in judgement on the track have far greater consequences than almost anywhere else. It's the nature of what we're doing...it's dangerous.

For those that made the choice to violate the rules of their group - I hope you get caught, SOON!

I have, in the last 6 years, only had to make an illegal pass ONCE, and it was due to my own error in the judgement of my closing speed and I didn't have the skill/confidence at the time to brake hard enough to NOT pass on the inside. Once through the turn, I looked back to make sure they were still upright, and then gave the obligatory "I'm Sorry!" wave. I learned from that mistake.

About the :a: - Group being a Fraternal Club: WOW! That sort of strikes a nerve - BAD!!! I spent the last five years busting my ass trying to get better, and learn what it takes. For a while I blamed my bike, but once I realized IT WAS ME, then the bike just needed a bit of tweaking, and I needed a LOT of fixing. I was always hanging around with the CR's and my friends. I was probably a pest to some, because I was a sponge for whatever advice they could give me. As I moved up into the :i: group, friendships grew considerably with the CR's.

When I was trying to get my bump to the A Group, these friendships were getting tested. I was so frustrated that there were times I wondered who I had pissed off, or who's ass do I need to kiss, in order to make this happen. These were "my friends", why couldn't they cut me a little slack since I'm on an older/underpowered bike? The were many days that I was left saying...WTF? I was starting to get a bit pissed.

Then, I finally stopped working so hard at it, because I thought I would never get it, and just rode to the best of my ability. Later than afternoon, I was passed by a CR, and he pulled me off the track.......and bumped me to the A-Group when I didn't even know I was being evaluated. (Thanks again Ron!)

Friendship WILL NOT get you to the A-Group. Those "friends" will in fact make you completely EARN that bump, and then will completely welcome you to the A-Group because they know without any doubt that you're ready.
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You know I have heard a similar story from a member here ... he said that he thinks being friends with the cr's might have made it harder for him to get the bump because they had such high hopes for him. (i hope I understood him correctly) and I have to agree with the above about trying.... the harder I tried for the I group, the farther out of reach it seemed to be. I went out with pontrelli to learn as much as I could, next thing I know he is asking me if I want to go to the I group.... I almost fell off my bike it was such a surprise. I really see there being no difference in the process to get to the A group... I doubt its all the sudden you have to know someone.
 
matt2212

matt2212

Member
although my experience is only with the bump to "I" i would say that friendship with the Cr's will get you lots of good info, help and encouragement but will not get you a bump. IMHO the Cr's you are friends with let the other Cr's do the bumping. again i don't have much experience but this is the feeling i got on my progression to "I", I would think the bump to "A" or even "I" would be a discussion by the Cr's not a decision to be made by one of them.
 
meganogin

meganogin

New Member
One thing to remember is NESBA is a club not a business, it may seem like a small distinction, but it makes a big difference. We are coming together to share an amazing experience that most of our friends and family don't understand. It is not a race or contest, it is a shared experience. Interaction with other members, including the CR's is the whole point.
 
lemondrop

lemondrop

Professional Asphalt Surfer
borgNSR;185068 wrote: If you are on your personal limit, ....blahblahblahimanasshoeblahblah.
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please tell me: 1) you are not in A group and 2) live in Florida so I do not have to deal with ya at the tracks I typically ride


just checked...this is the NESBA forum and not the racing forum. Your post would be fine in WERA or CCS, but this forum is for hobbyist, not racers. Last time I checked, Bob forgot to send me a trophy and ffor some reason, my lap times would not load on mylaps.com.
 
eagletangogreen

eagletangogreen

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Third and final call for group four!

Third and final call for group four!

Racer group this your final call!!!!!






















I;m just kidding.............
 
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